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	<title>Comments on: Ku Klux Klan in Australia - Mr Howard, aren&#8217;t you interested in terrorists?</title>
	<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/</link>
	<description>Ever the arty Autie</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-19955</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one question, why do you find MY site pathetic?
I am certainly not supporting racism,
I'm commenting on it
speaking out about it, 
trying to make sure Australians don't continue to ignore it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one question, why do you find MY site pathetic?<br />
I am certainly not supporting racism,<br />
I&#8217;m commenting on it<br />
speaking out about it,<br />
trying to make sure Australians don&#8217;t continue to ignore it.</p>
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		<title>By: black and proud</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-19954</link>
		<dc:creator>black and proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 02:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this site is pethetic and usless the kkk need to get over their dream of white america or white australia because its never going to happen . there member ship numbers have dropped dramatically because no one is intersted in silly little pethetic cults liek this one . be proud of who you aare and your race but dont be hating on what ur not....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this site is pethetic and usless the kkk need to get over their dream of white america or white australia because its never going to happen . there member ship numbers have dropped dramatically because no one is intersted in silly little pethetic cults liek this one . be proud of who you aare and your race but dont be hating on what ur not&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-18299</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't like racism no matter who is slinging the mud.
Like the 70% of first white people arriving here who were under the whip and the chain to the 30% free settlers who used them as bonded labour, sex and baby makers, at least two of my ancestors were transported and had no choice in being here.
I also have Aboriginal cousins.
I don't want to be refered to as one of 'you dirty bastards' just because I'm a non-indigenous Australian.

I also don't think that those sentenced to a decade of slavery here (which is what happened to most convicts sent here) or sent here to clean out the indentured poor of the workhouses of England, are the snobby gentry who stole indigenous land.  Perhaps, in time, the grandchildren or great grandchildren of such impoverished people came to own a house on Aboriginal land under a non-indigenous government but I don't think this makes them all 'dirty bastards'.  

in the 1820s-1840s and before 'free settlers' came here from the 1840s, 50s and 60s, women and men were sent here in chains, many of whom had stolen to feed themselves, their families, or free family members enslaved in workhouses.  Many died in chains on the way and those who didn't faced years of slavery here.  

My great great grandfather was sentenced to 15 years in labour here, commuted from death...he had stolen a horse in an attempt to free his sister from enslavement in a work house.   Those who sent him, guarded him, worked him, here for 15 years.  Another great great  grandfather was part of the work house clearances... people who had been enslaved in the UK to pay off family debt and were often worked to death.  To get rid of this social 'burden' such people were sent here.  I have a great great grandmother who was an orphan sent here among others designated as suited to marry convicts and, so, relieve a burden on the 'good' people of Britain.  So it is power and status you are angry at, not race.  Good things and good people, bad things and bad people, can happen in all races.
  
I have been degraded by PEOPLE, and their race was irrelevant to them being bastards.

It was not race that committed the crimes, but power and status which SOME presumed over others
and which others are guilty of ignoring,  others were probably unaware of and some actively spoke out about and challenged.  Hence there is no race which is 'you dirty bastards'.
There have been people who have been immoral, selfish, ignorant, spineless, oblivious or busy.

Racism breeds racism no matter who is being racist.
Narcissism is the real evil and narcissism is part of both racism and reverse prejudice.
Neither are dignified paths.
If someone is ignorant, even psychopathic and says stupid things
the best one can do is not defend with similar.
A dignified response at least avoids being the same as those one is upset by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like racism no matter who is slinging the mud.<br />
Like the 70% of first white people arriving here who were under the whip and the chain to the 30% free settlers who used them as bonded labour, sex and baby makers, at least two of my ancestors were transported and had no choice in being here.<br />
I also have Aboriginal cousins.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to be refered to as one of &#8216;you dirty bastards&#8217; just because I&#8217;m a non-indigenous Australian.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think that those sentenced to a decade of slavery here (which is what happened to most convicts sent here) or sent here to clean out the indentured poor of the workhouses of England, are the snobby gentry who stole indigenous land.  Perhaps, in time, the grandchildren or great grandchildren of such impoverished people came to own a house on Aboriginal land under a non-indigenous government but I don&#8217;t think this makes them all &#8216;dirty bastards&#8217;.  </p>
<p>in the 1820s-1840s and before &#8216;free settlers&#8217; came here from the 1840s, 50s and 60s, women and men were sent here in chains, many of whom had stolen to feed themselves, their families, or free family members enslaved in workhouses.  Many died in chains on the way and those who didn&#8217;t faced years of slavery here.  </p>
<p>My great great grandfather was sentenced to 15 years in labour here, commuted from death&#8230;he had stolen a horse in an attempt to free his sister from enslavement in a work house.   Those who sent him, guarded him, worked him, here for 15 years.  Another great great  grandfather was part of the work house clearances&#8230; people who had been enslaved in the UK to pay off family debt and were often worked to death.  To get rid of this social &#8216;burden&#8217; such people were sent here.  I have a great great grandmother who was an orphan sent here among others designated as suited to marry convicts and, so, relieve a burden on the &#8216;good&#8217; people of Britain.  So it is power and status you are angry at, not race.  Good things and good people, bad things and bad people, can happen in all races.</p>
<p>I have been degraded by PEOPLE, and their race was irrelevant to them being bastards.</p>
<p>It was not race that committed the crimes, but power and status which SOME presumed over others<br />
and which others are guilty of ignoring,  others were probably unaware of and some actively spoke out about and challenged.  Hence there is no race which is &#8216;you dirty bastards&#8217;.<br />
There have been people who have been immoral, selfish, ignorant, spineless, oblivious or busy.</p>
<p>Racism breeds racism no matter who is being racist.<br />
Narcissism is the real evil and narcissism is part of both racism and reverse prejudice.<br />
Neither are dignified paths.<br />
If someone is ignorant, even psychopathic and says stupid things<br />
the best one can do is not defend with similar.<br />
A dignified response at least avoids being the same as those one is upset by.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-18298</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In relation to jon chowboski comment:- "u shamefull ppl dont know what ur trying to do
give the scum more power in hopes that they can
eventually destroy everything white australians have
worked and died for" what this selfish white person doesn't understand is that our people died for not only our country (that is traditioinaly ours) but for our culture that happily did not succeed! our woman and children was raped and our men were killed in hope that our race would die off would in which did not happen as if it did i would not be here!!!
i am aboriginal and proud of it, and i would happily dispute and argue the point with every single person who thinks that we have not suffered enough or at all, and i bet all the money i have that i would win the argument!!! i would love to meet this jon chowboski and see what he would say to an aboriginal person face to face and not what he is game enough to say over the internet!!! please mr jon chowboski contact me and we will have a face to face debate on this matter!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation to jon chowboski comment:- &#8220;u shamefull ppl dont know what ur trying to do<br />
give the scum more power in hopes that they can<br />
eventually destroy everything white australians have<br />
worked and died for&#8221; what this selfish white person doesn&#8217;t understand is that our people died for not only our country (that is traditioinaly ours) but for our culture that happily did not succeed! our woman and children was raped and our men were killed in hope that our race would die off would in which did not happen as if it did i would not be here!!!<br />
i am aboriginal and proud of it, and i would happily dispute and argue the point with every single person who thinks that we have not suffered enough or at all, and i bet all the money i have that i would win the argument!!! i would love to meet this jon chowboski and see what he would say to an aboriginal person face to face and not what he is game enough to say over the internet!!! please mr jon chowboski contact me and we will have a face to face debate on this matter!!!</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-18297</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re comment by john chowboski: you sound just as pothetic as the kkk,you so called australians are the scum,yous hide the fact that your ancestors came to our beautiful country,killed and raped our women and children,desicrated our land,try to desicrate our culture but did not succeed,to me thats all you people have worked for and by the way i dont think enough of you dirty bastards died anyway so stop complaining,you have no reason to,you people stole our land and took away our way of life so you people should stop being all high and mighty and stop looking down your noses at us aboriginal people,our culture has nothing to be ashamed about!,next time you go to put down aboriginals stop,take a good look at your own people,and think about what you's really done to our ancestors!shame on you bastards!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re comment by john chowboski: you sound just as pothetic as the kkk,you so called australians are the scum,yous hide the fact that your ancestors came to our beautiful country,killed and raped our women and children,desicrated our land,try to desicrate our culture but did not succeed,to me thats all you people have worked for and by the way i dont think enough of you dirty bastards died anyway so stop complaining,you have no reason to,you people stole our land and took away our way of life so you people should stop being all high and mighty and stop looking down your noses at us aboriginal people,our culture has nothing to be ashamed about!,next time you go to put down aboriginals stop,take a good look at your own people,and think about what you&#8217;s really done to our ancestors!shame on you bastards!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jon chowboski</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-17750</link>
		<dc:creator>jon chowboski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u shamefull ppl dont know what ur trying to do 
give the scum more power in hopes that they can 
eventually destroy everything white australians have
worked and died for</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u shamefull ppl dont know what ur trying to do<br />
give the scum more power in hopes that they can<br />
eventually destroy everything white australians have<br />
worked and died for</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-14926</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm largely face blind.  In my world ALL people are friends or strangers, depending on my mood.  And I can see I have a great advantage.

I have Aboriginal cousins and my father's some of my father's closest friends were Aboriginal people who I've known since infancy.

In Australia it is people like me people, who are the strangers, the immigrants, and I am an immigrant among many from all different nations.

I've been left with and cared for by many people and was taken in by an Italian family in late childhood when my own was too violent and chaotic to live in and their language, their ways became the stuff of 'home'.

The greatest kindnesses which have come into my life have come from strangers and those different to myself and I can't thank them enough for THEIR open heartedness and generosity to a stranger - me.  If only we were all so lucky to know such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m largely face blind.  In my world ALL people are friends or strangers, depending on my mood.  And I can see I have a great advantage.</p>
<p>I have Aboriginal cousins and my father&#8217;s some of my father&#8217;s closest friends were Aboriginal people who I&#8217;ve known since infancy.</p>
<p>In Australia it is people like me people, who are the strangers, the immigrants, and I am an immigrant among many from all different nations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been left with and cared for by many people and was taken in by an Italian family in late childhood when my own was too violent and chaotic to live in and their language, their ways became the stuff of &#8216;home&#8217;.</p>
<p>The greatest kindnesses which have come into my life have come from strangers and those different to myself and I can&#8217;t thank them enough for THEIR open heartedness and generosity to a stranger - me.  If only we were all so lucky to know such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ku-klux-klan are right that too much strangers walk in the streets of USA but they are handling the situation wrong!!!
The moral is good and their goal is not bad too but they think they can do everything to get to this goal just that part is wrong!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ku-klux-klan are right that too much strangers walk in the streets of USA but they are handling the situation wrong!!!<br />
The moral is good and their goal is not bad too but they think they can do everything to get to this goal just that part is wrong!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg how absolutely stupid are the KKK.... they run around with their pathetic little hoods on trying to kill off people that are different than them... reminds me of little toddlers that hate the opposite sex... Blacks are here to stay and if whites wana congregate with the black then who cares! no one will tolerate you here in Australia KKK i am ready for you fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg how absolutely stupid are the KKK&#8230;. they run around with their pathetic little hoods on trying to kill off people that are different than them&#8230; reminds me of little toddlers that hate the opposite sex&#8230; Blacks are here to stay and if whites wana congregate with the black then who cares! no one will tolerate you here in Australia KKK i am ready for you fools.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/08/12/klu-klux-klan-in-australia-mr-howard-arent-you-interested-in-terrorists/#comment-7555</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is corruption and racism in many organisations and yes racism goes both ways, from Indigenous people to non-indigenous people too.  But given the genocide and systematic erosion of indigenous family ties and cultural roots perpetrated and promoted by non-indigenous governments and backed by non-indigenous populations I think that indigenous people have demonstrated far more generosity towards non-indigenous people than they have shown them in return.  

None of this justifies continuing racism on either side but the cries for reconciliation largely come from the indigenous community and that speaks for itself.  Non-indigenous people who feel justified in heaping even more insult on indigenous people should view the film Kanyini and first get to grips with their own place in the wider picture before they feel so justified to stand up for racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is corruption and racism in many organisations and yes racism goes both ways, from Indigenous people to non-indigenous people too.  But given the genocide and systematic erosion of indigenous family ties and cultural roots perpetrated and promoted by non-indigenous governments and backed by non-indigenous populations I think that indigenous people have demonstrated far more generosity towards non-indigenous people than they have shown them in return.  </p>
<p>None of this justifies continuing racism on either side but the cries for reconciliation largely come from the indigenous community and that speaks for itself.  Non-indigenous people who feel justified in heaping even more insult on indigenous people should view the film Kanyini and first get to grips with their own place in the wider picture before they feel so justified to stand up for racism.</p>
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