Comments on: Touching the heaven of shared social; a memory of Bernard Rimland http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/ Ever the arty Autie Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:23:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-7716 donna Thu, 10 May 2007 00:42:40 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-7716 please visit the new blog article I've posted on this blog site about my use of Glutamine (just type glutamine into the search bar). :-) Donna Williams www.donnawilliams.net please visit the new blog article I’ve posted on this blog site about my use of Glutamine (just type glutamine into the search bar).

:-) Donna Williams
http://www.donnawilliams.net

]]> By: christschool http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-7710 christschool Wed, 09 May 2007 20:36:10 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-7710 Donna, I'm an autistic man raising an autistic child. A recent NIH study mapping the autism genome discovered a link with glutamate neurons. This was the largest such genome study. I'm interested in glutamine as a result. Can you please email me what you were taking, over the counter or prescription form. CS Donna,

I’m an autistic man raising an autistic child. A recent NIH study mapping the autism genome discovered a link with glutamate neurons. This was the largest such genome study. I’m interested in glutamine as a result. Can you please email me what you were taking, over the counter or prescription form.

CS

]]> By: Athena Ivan http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-3226 Athena Ivan Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:58:47 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-3226 I have abilities to experience self and other because my persona is split.......... autie-aspie......... I can't put words to how it feels.........except that it just is...... Athena Ivan I have abilities to experience self and other because my persona is split……….

autie-aspie………

I can’t put words to how it feels………except that it just is……

Athena Ivan

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2574 donna Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:02:05 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2574 As elaborated on in the books: Autism; An Inside Out Approach and in The Jumbled Jigsaw, reduction of sensory flooding and associated cumulative information processing delay and subsequent information overload, leads to a reduction of information processing issues on all sensory perceptual channels. :-) Donna Williams www.donnawilliams.net As elaborated on in the books: Autism; An Inside Out Approach and in The Jumbled Jigsaw, reduction of sensory flooding and associated cumulative information processing delay and subsequent information overload, leads to a reduction of information processing issues on all sensory perceptual channels.

:-) Donna Williams
http://www.donnawilliams.net

]]> By: bidebop http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2573 bidebop Sun, 10 Dec 2006 05:52:34 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2573 Regarding your "simultaneous experience of self and other" ... what you describe above ... Do any of your BPI colored lenses help to bring this back in any way? Two, Again with regard to your experience ... when it was happening in the past, what was happening visually? Regarding your “simultaneous experience of self and other” … what you describe above …
Do any of your BPI colored lenses help to bring this back in any way?

Two,
Again with regard to your experience … when it was happening in the past, what was happening visually?

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2044 donna Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:41:53 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2044 yes, after the first conscious jolt of it, I cried my eyes out after it left again, angry that I'd get to hold it then lose it. The full account of that is in Everyday Heaven. Now? I eventually feel pretty ok, as if I'm floating between autie and non-autie perceptions (or perhaps between autie and Aspie perceptions as Aspie's tend to hold simultaneous self and other for longer than many people with autism can). I'm not one to despair long over things I can't change. There's no use in such things except masochism. Yes, I would certainly socialise more if a) I didn't also have an auditory processing and language processing disorder and b) if I consistently could hold a simultaneous processing of self and other without extreme effort. but as a personality, I'm extremely adapted to having a very whole and full life with little reliance on socialising... guess that's most artists. Hence I feel ARTism has overtaken much of my autism :-) Donna Williams www.donnawilliams.net yes, after the first conscious jolt of it, I cried my eyes out after it left again, angry that I’d get to hold it then lose it. The full account of that is in Everyday Heaven.

Now? I eventually feel pretty ok, as if I’m floating between autie and non-autie perceptions (or perhaps between autie and Aspie perceptions as Aspie’s tend to hold simultaneous self and other for longer than many people with autism can).

I’m not one to despair long over things I can’t change. There’s no use in such things except masochism.

Yes, I would certainly socialise more if a) I didn’t also have an auditory processing and language processing disorder and b) if I consistently could hold a simultaneous processing of self and other without extreme effort.

but as a personality, I’m extremely adapted to having a very whole and full life with little reliance on socialising… guess that’s most artists.

Hence I feel ARTism has overtaken much of my autism

:-) Donna Williams
http://www.donnawilliams.net

]]> By: helloaut http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2043 helloaut Thu, 07 Dec 2006 09:06:37 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-2043 hello hello - are you sad your experience of being "with" has not continued? It seemed to allow you to do much better with people. And now? It's not as good now, right? This would make me very sad to not be able to have this ability all of the time. How do you feel? In your loner article, you don't seem that interested in socializing. WOuld you be if your experience of being "with" was still happening? hello hello -
are you sad your experience of being “with” has not continued? It seemed to allow you to do much better with people. And now? It’s not as good now, right?
This would make me very sad to not be able to have this ability all of the time.
How do you feel?

In your loner article, you don’t seem that interested in socializing. WOuld you be if your experience of being “with” was still happening?

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1887 donna Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:46:34 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1887 no, it didn't disappear completely... it just faded back out to all self/no other and all other/no self again... back to lacking a simultaneous processing of self and other... it remains something that now fades in and out ever since then. Before it was almost always an absence of simultaneous self and other...I'm sure I had it for seconds, maybe 1-2 minutes at best, but it didn't last long enough to really EXPERIENCE it with full consciousness. So it was foreign and not part of 'self' or 'normality' (not my normality anyway). But since Glutamine, the capacity to process SOME simultaneous self and other has increased to a level that I can hold it for 3-5 minutes much of the time before it fades back out, sometimes as much as 30 minutes but 45 minutes is rare. So in this sense my world shifted from a more autistic to a less autistic one. In any case it changed everything, which is what I wrote of in Everyday Heaven. :-) Donna Williams no, it didn’t disappear completely… it just faded back out to all self/no other and all other/no self again… back to lacking a simultaneous processing of self and other… it remains something that now fades in and out ever since then.

Before it was almost always an absence of simultaneous self and other…I’m sure I had it for seconds, maybe 1-2 minutes at best, but it didn’t last long enough to really EXPERIENCE it with full consciousness. So it was foreign and not part of ’self’ or ‘normality’ (not my normality anyway).

But since Glutamine, the capacity to process SOME simultaneous self and other has increased to a level that I can hold it for 3-5 minutes much of the time before it fades back out, sometimes as much as 30 minutes but 45 minutes is rare. So in this sense my world shifted from a more autistic to a less autistic one.

In any case it changed everything, which is what I wrote of in Everyday Heaven.

:-) Donna Williams

]]> By: Chris http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1884 Chris Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:26:30 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1884 So the experience lasted 45 minutes and then was gone? Has it occurred since then? So the experience lasted 45 minutes and then was gone? Has it occurred since then?

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1871 donna Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:59:16 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2006/11/22/touching-the-heaven-of-shared-social-a-memory-of-bernard-rimland/#comment-1871 I had always talked 'at' or 'in front of', not 'with'. I tried really hard but mostly was gripped with involuntary avoidance, diversion, retaliation responses so it was a big struggle, and then I just couldn't hold on to their words and then find my own so mostly just tried to 'make a match' kind of thing... felt very out of my depth with blah all the time. When I had this experience of simultaneous self and other, it lasted about 45 mins... long enough to really grasp consciously that wow... this is some planet I've never held long enough to understand. I wrote of it in Everyday Heaven if you'd like to read the whole thing. But essentially, I managed to experience the conversation of two other people WITH myself, shifting back and forth, on the same topic, with more than just guessing and matching, and actually had personal thoughts/feelings in response and could process their speech AND think/feel at the same time something more than just working out what THEY said or forming my own track. It was incredible, spiritual, moving, scary and changed everything I knew about the non-autistic world's desire to converse (as opposed to speak). It wasn't sudden and it was only on reflection that it had been 30 days on the Glutamine. Hints of this ability were emerging, but when the 45 minute session of simultaneous self and other happened, then I really GOT IT consciously. :-) Donna Williams *) I had always talked ‘at’ or ‘in front of’, not ‘with’. I tried really hard but mostly was gripped with involuntary avoidance, diversion, retaliation responses so it was a big struggle, and then I just couldn’t hold on to their words and then find my own so mostly just tried to ‘make a match’ kind of thing… felt very out of my depth with blah all the time.

When I had this experience of simultaneous self and other, it lasted about 45 mins… long enough to really grasp consciously that wow… this is some planet I’ve never held long enough to understand. I wrote of it in Everyday Heaven if you’d like to read the whole thing.

But essentially, I managed to experience the conversation of two other people WITH myself, shifting back and forth, on the same topic, with more than just guessing and matching, and actually had personal thoughts/feelings in response and could process their speech AND think/feel at the same time something more than just working out what THEY said or forming my own track.

It was incredible, spiritual, moving, scary and changed everything I knew about the non-autistic world’s desire to converse (as opposed to speak).

It wasn’t sudden and it was only on reflection that it had been 30 days on the Glutamine. Hints of this ability were emerging, but when the 45 minute session of simultaneous self and other happened, then I really GOT IT consciously.

:-) Donna Williams *)

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