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	<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/</link>
	<description>Ever the arty Autie</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John "Hai" Knapp</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-17838</link>
		<dc:creator>John "Hai" Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Donna, Friends, and other aspies like myself,
     I wanted to contact others like myself; not for gaining sympathy.  I hope to be an encouragement to others; and hoping people who read can encourage them too. 
    Wednesday night 1/2/2008 at the Meadowlark I took a brave step. 
My turn came to come on stage. At the house piano; I said, I will sing a song by the late Sammy Davis Junior. For most of my life I knew I was somewhat different; in fact I wish I knew what the heck it was years earlier. For much I have coped and handled it well. Recent circumstances forced me to come to terms with it. Please don't mistake disability with inability. I have a condition called aspergers syndrome; which is a mild form of autism. Yes, I am an autie, an aspie, and I am not ashamed of it anymore. This is where I got the compassion to become the healthcare for ALL Music guru. &lt;i&gt; Ultimate, I've Got To Be Me, my strengths, my weaknesses, and things I wish could be different. song, "I've Got To Be Me."  
    I have also written a song about autism.  There may be attempts to get on YouTube so when someone researches tubes on Autism and/or Asperger.   I would like to see both my new song go on and a video go on of the song I've Got To Be Me, with the Asperger presentation mentioned above. Legal of course; singing cover tune legally and paying the royalties to proper source.  
    So Long Friends, contact welcome healthmusic@winstream.net. 
    Yes, I am an aspie, an autie, and I am not ashamed of it anymore. Hardships caused by it (such as being socially outcasted in school days) is where I've got the incredible compassion to become the Healthcare for ALL Music Guru. 
                                                 John, also known as Hai (sounds like high)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Donna, Friends, and other aspies like myself,<br />
     I wanted to contact others like myself; not for gaining sympathy.  I hope to be an encouragement to others; and hoping people who read can encourage them too.<br />
    Wednesday night 1/2/2008 at the Meadowlark I took a brave step.<br />
My turn came to come on stage. At the house piano; I said, I will sing a song by the late Sammy Davis Junior. For most of my life I knew I was somewhat different; in fact I wish I knew what the heck it was years earlier. For much I have coped and handled it well. Recent circumstances forced me to come to terms with it. Please don&#8217;t mistake disability with inability. I have a condition called aspergers syndrome; which is a mild form of autism. Yes, I am an autie, an aspie, and I am not ashamed of it anymore. This is where I got the compassion to become the healthcare for ALL Music guru. <i> Ultimate, I&#8217;ve Got To Be Me, my strengths, my weaknesses, and things I wish could be different. song, &#8220;I&#8217;ve Got To Be Me.&#8221;<br />
    I have also written a song about autism.  There may be attempts to get on YouTube so when someone researches tubes on Autism and/or Asperger.   I would like to see both my new song go on and a video go on of the song I&#8217;ve Got To Be Me, with the Asperger presentation mentioned above. Legal of course; singing cover tune legally and paying the royalties to proper source.<br />
    So Long Friends, contact welcome <a href="mailto:healthmusic@winstream.net">healthmusic@winstream.net</a>.<br />
    Yes, I am an aspie, an autie, and I am not ashamed of it anymore. Hardships caused by it (such as being socially outcasted in school days) is where I&#8217;ve got the incredible compassion to become the Healthcare for ALL Music Guru.<br />
                                                 John, also known as Hai (sounds like high)</i></p>
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		<title>By: John Midgley</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-14166</link>
		<dc:creator>John Midgley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-14166</guid>
		<description>Donna!

!!!

The name "Trista Jones" is very similar to the name "Tristan Jones", and he's an Alpha social club member.  I don't know whether you've met him yet, but he's scheduled to come bowling.

Whoever's doing this has done his research.  VERY well.

Personally, I think that where this all went wrong was when you replied to the "I'd like to ask for a thorough description and explanation of what you mean" comment.with three very detailed comments.

Someone "like" foresam was trying to get you to EXPEND EFFORT in replying to him.  That's yet ANOTHER tool of people like "this".

John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna!</p>
<p>!!!</p>
<p>The name &#8220;Trista Jones&#8221; is very similar to the name &#8220;Tristan Jones&#8221;, and he&#8217;s an Alpha social club member.  I don&#8217;t know whether you&#8217;ve met him yet, but he&#8217;s scheduled to come bowling.</p>
<p>Whoever&#8217;s doing this has done his research.  VERY well.</p>
<p>Personally, I think that where this all went wrong was when you replied to the &#8220;I&#8217;d like to ask for a thorough description and explanation of what you mean&#8221; comment.with three very detailed comments.</p>
<p>Someone &#8220;like&#8221; foresam was trying to get you to EXPEND EFFORT in replying to him.  That&#8217;s yet ANOTHER tool of people like &#8220;this&#8221;.</p>
<p>John.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan and Athena</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13533</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan and Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13533</guid>
		<description>compost, donna? I might have said poo instead........that's what trolling and flaming is........really.............

Athena is a moderate................not wanting to fight but also doesn't recognize trolling.............

I'm decidedly more militant but............BUT...........I hate flame wars.........I've bitten or smacked my hands many times before..........because of desire to post something inflammatory against someone because "I feel attacked" or something like that...............

its hard to do at times but its better for everyone involved in the long run.......plus, it makes the troll look foolish.........if he or she keeps ranting and no one responds..........

that in itself is victory...........

Ivan and Athena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>compost, donna? I might have said poo instead&#8230;&#8230;..that&#8217;s what trolling and flaming is&#8230;&#8230;..really&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Athena is a moderate&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.not wanting to fight but also doesn&#8217;t recognize trolling&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m decidedly more militant but&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;BUT&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I hate flame wars&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;ve bitten or smacked my hands many times before&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.because of desire to post something inflammatory against someone because &#8220;I feel attacked&#8221; or something like that&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>its hard to do at times but its better for everyone involved in the long run&#8230;&#8230;.plus, it makes the troll look foolish&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;if he or she keeps ranting and no one responds&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>that in itself is victory&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Ivan and Athena</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Farrelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13233</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Farrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13233</guid>
		<description>Hi Ms Clark, relieved to see that your name has been cleared. I did feel  that it  was a  rather unusual belligerent post. Something I had never encountered before when reading your blog.
 You are certainly right Amanda, SOMEONE IS trying to mess with all our heads!

 Why are there such mischief makers out there?
 There is enough trouble and strife in the world as it is! Sigh....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ms Clark, relieved to see that your name has been cleared. I did feel  that it  was a  rather unusual belligerent post. Something I had never encountered before when reading your blog.<br />
 You are certainly right Amanda, SOMEONE IS trying to mess with all our heads!</p>
<p> Why are there such mischief makers out there?<br />
 There is enough trouble and strife in the world as it is! Sigh&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13224</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13224</guid>
		<description>Thanks Diva, glad to see WE at least don't hate each other.
I think we should leave hate to the trolls who have honed and excelled in it.
I don't mind playing in the mud but I won't play in the compost :-)

... Donna *)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Diva, glad to see WE at least don&#8217;t hate each other.<br />
I think we should leave hate to the trolls who have honed and excelled in it.<br />
I don&#8217;t mind playing in the mud but I won&#8217;t play in the compost <img src='http://blog.donnawilliams.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8230; Donna *)</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13223</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13223</guid>
		<description>Amanda, thanks so much for that.
I did try and write directly to that email address for Autism Diva and it bounced.
Good catch
Yes, I agree, the trolls are doing their 'thang'
Ask Autism Diva for me if she'd like me to delete the postings on this blog relating to the troll who has feigned being her.

yes, its all pretty infantile, but that's trolls for ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, thanks so much for that.<br />
I did try and write directly to that email address for Autism Diva and it bounced.<br />
Good catch<br />
Yes, I agree, the trolls are doing their &#8216;thang&#8217;<br />
Ask Autism Diva for me if she&#8217;d like me to delete the postings on this blog relating to the troll who has feigned being her.</p>
<p>yes, its all pretty infantile, but that&#8217;s trolls for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms Clark</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13217</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13217</guid>
		<description>Hi Donna,

I have the Autism Diva blog.  That comment was not from me.  Not that you would know it, but the style of writing and word usage is not like mine, either.  The person used a couple words that I don't ever use and wouldn't because they sound wrong to me, for instance.

"There is much in the world beyond emotions"  (weird stuff)  I guess someone in Seattle hates me.  Oh well.  

Feel free to ask me any time if I have posted something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna,</p>
<p>I have the Autism Diva blog.  That comment was not from me.  Not that you would know it, but the style of writing and word usage is not like mine, either.  The person used a couple words that I don&#8217;t ever use and wouldn&#8217;t because they sound wrong to me, for instance.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is much in the world beyond emotions&#8221;  (weird stuff)  I guess someone in Seattle hates me.  Oh well.  </p>
<p>Feel free to ask me any time if I have posted something.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13216</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13216</guid>
		<description>Actually, it was not posted by Autism Diva.  I didn't recognize that as being any IP address I'd ever seen her use.  I emailed her to ask her if she wrote it, and she said she didn't, and had never heard of the divaautie email address either (that was what raised my suspicions, because when she comments on my blog she does not use that email address).

There have been a number of trolls who have been attempting to start fights by using the names or Internet nicknames of their opponents.  I've had this happen to me recently a few different times, and so has at least one scientist in the autism field.  It appears to be happening to Autism Diva as well.  So everyone, Donna did not write that comment, but neither did Autism Diva.  Someone is trying to mess with all our heads here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it was not posted by Autism Diva.  I didn&#8217;t recognize that as being any IP address I&#8217;d ever seen her use.  I emailed her to ask her if she wrote it, and she said she didn&#8217;t, and had never heard of the divaautie email address either (that was what raised my suspicions, because when she comments on my blog she does not use that email address).</p>
<p>There have been a number of trolls who have been attempting to start fights by using the names or Internet nicknames of their opponents.  I&#8217;ve had this happen to me recently a few different times, and so has at least one scientist in the autism field.  It appears to be happening to Autism Diva as well.  So everyone, Donna did not write that comment, but neither did Autism Diva.  Someone is trying to mess with all our heads here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Farrelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13143</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Farrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 04:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13143</guid>
		<description>Thanks for clearing that up Donna.

Yes, I know of Autism Diva,I have read her blog from time to time. Have to say though, that I am very disappointed in the belligerent manner in which she is conducting herself.

 I could also say that biased detractors aren't that valuable to the truth, either.

 "With all the preciousness and autism circus rubbish going on, it's not surprising camps polarise and defend their labels and theories but when we lose humanity and learning in the process it's time to chill out,  stand back and get of our high horses."

 So true Donna.

 When even a moderate  such as yourself is pilloried I can only (sadly )shake my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up Donna.</p>
<p>Yes, I know of Autism Diva,I have read her blog from time to time. Have to say though, that I am very disappointed in the belligerent manner in which she is conducting herself.</p>
<p> I could also say that biased detractors aren&#8217;t that valuable to the truth, either.</p>
<p> &#8220;With all the preciousness and autism circus rubbish going on, it&#8217;s not surprising camps polarise and defend their labels and theories but when we lose humanity and learning in the process it&#8217;s time to chill out,  stand back and get of our high horses.&#8221;</p>
<p> So true Donna.</p>
<p> When even a moderate  such as yourself is pilloried I can only (sadly )shake my head.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
		<link>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13136</link>
		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2007/08/26/when-a-discussion-isnt-a-discussion-and-caring-isnt-caring/#comment-13136</guid>
		<description>Hi Kathy, 

the comment you refer to was NOT by me at all
it was POSTED by me
but it is by a critic named AUTISM DIVA

Sometimes I won't approve a comment directly if its from someone I suspect may then flood the blog.  So, instead, to give them the chance to have an initial say, I post their comment myself.

So AUTISM DIVA quoted you, then seemed to wish to challenge your impression of me.

I don't see the point of this, I'm not running a popularity contest on this blog, just my version of journalism.  But she clearly disliked things I said, and so be it.  

For the record, she's one of the most high profile bloggers in the Neurodiversity (ND) crowd.  

For now, she's decided she doesn't like what I write.

As you know, I'm a moderate.  That means I'm not into militant agendas, not curist ones, not culturalist ones, though I can find merits in each.  

Sometimes those at one extreme or the other feel like George Bush 'you're either with us or you're against us'.  If one is clearly 'on the team' then one must buy the rules, play the game the whole way.

As you know, I'm too feral for that.

So, yes, your fluffy emotional nature is safe with, and respected by me.  
Sorry you were confused.
:-) Donna *)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kathy, </p>
<p>the comment you refer to was NOT by me at all<br />
it was POSTED by me<br />
but it is by a critic named AUTISM DIVA</p>
<p>Sometimes I won&#8217;t approve a comment directly if its from someone I suspect may then flood the blog.  So, instead, to give them the chance to have an initial say, I post their comment myself.</p>
<p>So AUTISM DIVA quoted you, then seemed to wish to challenge your impression of me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point of this, I&#8217;m not running a popularity contest on this blog, just my version of journalism.  But she clearly disliked things I said, and so be it.  </p>
<p>For the record, she&#8217;s one of the most high profile bloggers in the Neurodiversity (ND) crowd.  </p>
<p>For now, she&#8217;s decided she doesn&#8217;t like what I write.</p>
<p>As you know, I&#8217;m a moderate.  That means I&#8217;m not into militant agendas, not curist ones, not culturalist ones, though I can find merits in each.  </p>
<p>Sometimes those at one extreme or the other feel like George Bush &#8216;you&#8217;re either with us or you&#8217;re against us&#8217;.  If one is clearly &#8216;on the team&#8217; then one must buy the rules, play the game the whole way.</p>
<p>As you know, I&#8217;m too feral for that.</p>
<p>So, yes, your fluffy emotional nature is safe with, and respected by me.<br />
Sorry you were confused.<br />
 <img src='http://blog.donnawilliams.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Donna *)</p>
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