Comments on: Let’s Stop Calling it ‘the Autism’ – Autism and poo smearing http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/ Ever the arty Autie Wed, 08 Feb 2012 05:58:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-116420 donna Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:37:47 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-116420 each poo smearer has different drives for what they do. your brother certainly sounds obsessed with his own smell, texture, taste in the poo dept but I suspect its actually giving him security through TERRITORY some animals when caged do this stuff and if an autie feels they have no control over anything in their life including feeling their soul is owned or controled by others they can reassure themselves with this most basic of rebellion and self ownership. The book Exposure Anxiety; The Invisible Cage may help you get to grips with this better http://www.donnawilliams.net/exposureanxiety.0.html if you feel a consultation may ever be of use, I do online consultations here http://www.donnawilliams.net/emailconsult.0.html working together on this we could come up with some trial plans to see if it changes things. One thing for sure the braces may only further build the feelings of entrapment, loss of control and feed the ferocity and determination to reinstate the self ownership through the poo compulsions. all the best Donna each poo smearer has different drives for what they do.
your brother certainly sounds obsessed with his own smell, texture, taste in the poo dept
but I suspect its actually giving him security through TERRITORY
some animals when caged do this stuff and if an autie feels they have no control over anything in their life including feeling their soul is owned or controled by others they can reassure themselves with this most basic of rebellion and self ownership.
The book Exposure Anxiety; The Invisible Cage may help you get to grips with this better
http://www.donnawilliams.net/exposureanxiety.0.html

if you feel a consultation may ever be of use, I do online consultations here

http://www.donnawilliams.net/emailconsult.0.html

working together on this we could come up with some trial plans to see if it changes things.
One thing for sure the braces may only further build the feelings of entrapment, loss of control and feed the ferocity and determination to reinstate the self ownership through the poo compulsions.

all the best

Donna

]]> By: Danielle http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-116419 Danielle Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:18:43 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-116419 Hello Donna. My baby brother who is 3 in feburary has been smearing for about a year and a half now. HE got diagnosed with high spectrum/low functional autism last Christmas time. Early I had to clean him early after he had (as the family calls it) gone digging in his nappy. Like I've read on many other comments. Not only does he smear, he eats his poo and pulls it out of his rectum. He also goes to the toilet in his nappy on purpose so he can go. He tries this at any chance he can get, so we have to put "braces" on him so he can't get into his trousers, but he still manages to. We have to watch him constantly. When he finishes, we usually give him a very quick bath or shower. He must know that its wrong, as he goes out of the room to do it. The situation earlier is that I was sat in the living room with him while the stepdad was out, he left the room, a few minutes later I noticed he had gone quiet, and he is covered. We (the family) tell him not to do it, and tell him off. I'm worried he's going to get bullied at school and such. Will he grow out of it do you think? He cannot talk yet Its really distressing and depressing. I wish I knew why he does this. Its nice to know there are others to know what I'm going through though. Thanks Danielle 18 Hello Donna. My baby brother who is 3 in feburary has been smearing for about a year and a half now. HE got diagnosed with high spectrum/low functional autism last Christmas time.
Early I had to clean him early after he had (as the family calls it) gone digging in his nappy.
Like I’ve read on many other comments. Not only does he smear, he eats his poo and pulls it out of his rectum. He also goes to the toilet in his nappy on purpose so he can go. He tries this at any chance he can get, so we have to put “braces” on him so he can’t get into his trousers, but he still manages to. We have to watch him constantly.
When he finishes, we usually give him a very quick bath or shower.
He must know that its wrong, as he goes out of the room to do it. The situation earlier is that I was sat in the living room with him while the stepdad was out, he left the room, a few minutes later I noticed he had gone quiet, and he is covered. We (the family) tell him not to do it, and tell him off.
I’m worried he’s going to get bullied at school and such. Will he grow out of it do you think? He cannot talk yet
Its really distressing and depressing. I wish I knew why he does this.
Its nice to know there are others to know what I’m going through though.
Thanks
Danielle
18

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-116404 donna Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:34:06 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-116404 goodness! sounds like fetish to me. Given he's 18 and I'm assuming non verbal and socially limited, if not with additional significant sensory perceptual deficits, I'm not surprised he's filling in the gaps with the best most control giving sensory/physical buzz he CAN cohesive process.... the reassurance and turn on of the smell and texture if not possession of his own shit balls and this arouses him enough to use the floor as a masturbatory tool. Could I address this in online consultations? I've worked with similar, sure. You can book online consultations with me here http://www.donnawilliams.net/consultancy.0.html ... other choices? try and find someone with awareness of OT, psychology (incl open some awareness as a sex therapist!), sociology (because his connection to community and other activities will also effect this), and autism/severe disability because that's the kinds of skills someone would need to address this issue. goodness! sounds like fetish to me. Given he’s 18 and I’m assuming non verbal and socially limited, if not with additional significant sensory perceptual deficits, I’m not surprised he’s filling in the gaps with the best most control giving sensory/physical buzz he CAN cohesive process…. the reassurance and turn on of the smell and texture if not possession of his own shit balls and this arouses him enough to use the floor as a masturbatory tool. Could I address this in online consultations? I’ve worked with similar, sure. You can book online consultations with me here http://www.donnawilliams.net/consultancy.0.html
… other choices? try and find someone with awareness of OT, psychology (incl open some awareness as a sex therapist!), sociology (because his connection to community and other activities will also effect this), and autism/severe disability because that’s the kinds of skills someone would need to address this issue.

]]> By: Laura http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-116403 Laura Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:56:26 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-116403 My 18 year old low functioning middle child of three autistic children has been pooping on his underwear, squeezing it into a ball and then he will lie on his stomach while " humping" the floor and holding the underwear in his hands and rubbing it. I don't know what to do. Please help! My 18 year old low functioning middle child of three autistic children has been pooping on his underwear, squeezing it into a ball and then he will lie on his stomach while ” humping” the floor and holding the underwear in his hands and rubbing it. I don’t know what to do. Please help!

]]> By: Angie http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-112622 Angie Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:33:09 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-112622 I have been in the same situation as the lady above with DSS coming to my home because of my ex who didnt want to be sued for child support took a photo of my son is his room in his pull up without my knowledge and claimed he was neglected and locked in his room....And yes he is locked in his room at times for his own safety...He has severe autism and even with meds will not sit for more than 5 minutes at a time....Then later a so called friend came to visit and put her nose where it did not belong .....She happened to drop by unannounced when my son had a smearing and throwing good ole time...lol...She called DSS and here they came again....one visit and never heard from them again same as before...They met all my other children and our family interactions and did not see any problems...They dont even know how to react or what to say.... if not for humor and a good friend and family support system id been coo coo long ago....lol.... I have been in the same situation as the lady above with DSS coming to my home because of my ex who didnt want to be sued for child support took a photo of my son is his room in his pull up without my knowledge and claimed he was neglected and locked in his room….And yes he is locked in his room at times for his own safety…He has severe autism and even with meds will not sit for more than 5 minutes at a time….Then later a so called friend came to visit and put her nose where it did not belong …..She happened to drop by unannounced when my son had a smearing and throwing good ole time…lol…She called DSS and here they came again….one visit and never heard from them again same as before…They met all my other children and our family interactions and did not see any problems…They dont even know how to react or what to say…. if not for humor and a good friend and family support system id been coo coo long ago….lol….

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-104743 donna Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:42:53 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-104743 Smearing is not a one size fits all issue. Parents and professionals can use this service to gain an in depth consultation into the unique issues at work with each person's smearing behaviors http://www.donnawilliams.net/emailconsult.0.html Smearing is not a one size fits all issue. Parents and professionals can use this service to gain an in depth consultation into the unique issues at work with each person’s smearing behaviors http://www.donnawilliams.net/emailconsult.0.html

]]> By: Bev Swift http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-104741 Bev Swift Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:34:17 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-104741 Hi Donna I was interested to read your suggestions about poo smearing. i teach a 4 year old boy with PDD. He has recently begun to smear poo both at home and at the centre. I need advice on how to deal with this as he is becoming a health risk to other children. Any suggestions would be most grateful Hi Donna
I was interested to read your suggestions about poo smearing. i teach a 4 year old boy with PDD. He has recently begun to smear poo both at home and at the centre. I need advice on how to deal with this as he is becoming a health risk to other children. Any suggestions would be most grateful

]]> By: lionel http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-104550 lionel Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:18:31 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-104550 I was really hopping that you received my comment as it is a true story. However,and it took a good while to write it. And when I tried to send it I pushed the add comment and it was gone. I was really hopping that you received my comment as it is a true story. However,and it took a good while to write it. And when I tried to send it I pushed the add comment and it was gone.

]]> By: lion http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-104548 lion Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:03:01 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-104548 I have been interested in understanding. Your information has been helpful However, this is my understanding. In the formative years of behavioral growth (as I remember my entire life which is or almost a handicap) My mother when she had to change me dipper who'd kiss my belly after she cleaned me and blow tickles on my belly. It was obviously gratifying. So dealing with poo became a plus. Except for the day at two years when I did the poo finger painting on the wall. Even though, through live it has has become a foundation in times of stress. And I have done smearing. it is knowing the difference between fantasy and reality. Although it is a Tool of recovery in my life. I have been interested in understanding. Your information has been helpful
However, this is my understanding. In the formative years of behavioral growth (as I remember my entire life which is or almost a handicap) My mother when she had to change me dipper who’d kiss my belly after she cleaned me and blow tickles on my belly. It was obviously gratifying. So dealing with poo became a plus. Except for the day at two years when I did the poo finger painting on the wall. Even though, through live it has has become a foundation in times of stress. And I have done smearing. it is knowing the difference between fantasy and reality. Although it is a Tool of recovery in my life.

]]> By: donna http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/comment-page-1/#comment-98714 donna Thu, 12 May 2011 21:43:26 +0000 http://blog.donnawilliams.net/2009/07/24/autism-and-poo-smearing/#comment-98714 when a behaviour has become an addiction its probably beyond the exhaustion of a parent... a psych unit goes to work on breaking addictive behaviour cycles whether its vomiting, self injury, addiction... could be worth asking about an pediatric inpatient psych clinic to specifically go to work on this addiction for 4-6 weeks until at least the habit that is so 'home' has at least been broken enough to gain some emotional/identity distance from it and have a chance to fill that gap with something less of a health risk, preferably actual toiletting. when a behaviour has become an addiction its probably beyond the exhaustion of a parent… a psych unit goes to work on breaking addictive behaviour cycles whether its vomiting, self injury, addiction… could be worth asking about an pediatric inpatient psych clinic to specifically go to work on this addiction for 4-6 weeks until at least the habit that is so ‘home’ has at least been broken enough to gain some emotional/identity distance from it and have a chance to fill that gap with something less of a health risk, preferably actual toiletting.

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