Dissociative Identity Disorder, ghosts, reincarnation, possession and imaginary friends
Some alters will believe their are ghosts, some will live just outside of the body utilising the skills of another alter who is less afraid to be in the body. Some alters will co-consciously experience the signing, chatter or feelings of another alter or feel them outside of the body a short distance away. Some will find themselves outside of the body watching it or be certain they had been killed and were now a ghost. Some alters will be so unable to acknowledge being related to their abuser or stuck living in the family of their abuser they will experience themselves as a different gender, age, culture/race to that of the Core Self, making these alters feel they must have been a ghost who possessed the body or a reincarnation to account for how they got there.
PTSD nightmares can begin as lucid dreaming/night terrors involving waking to find music playing, voices in the room, faces coming toward you, a body in bed with you or touching you where there is physically actually nobody there. So until you understand what PTSD nightmares are you can easily imagine you are in a haunted house. If you move to another place and these occur again you can easily surmise it is you who is being haunted.
The Core Self can, through chronic abuse, go dormant, giving up identification with, response to or all personal defense of the body. In effect the Core Self can become a ‘ghost’. When the Core Self is around as an observer it can be sometimes experienced by the alters as a ghost watching them. The Core Self, having forgotten it was once the self can come to believe it is a ghost and not find any reason or drive to fight to regain the role of host in the body.
In my case the Core Self took the role of a conduit for the alters, doing their typing almost as a medium might. The alters talked of me as a ghost. Turned out that as my personhood was progressively reignited, they, and I learned that as I stepped into the voice and began to run the body and take over the life they had each built for me that I was clearly not a ghost at all.
Thanks for listening.
Donna et al
Donna Williams, BA Hons, Dip Ed.
Author, artist, singer-songwriter, screenwriter.
Autism consultant and public speaker.
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Hi Donna,
Hope it’s ok to ask… but how are you doing with getting your different selves to live together? And is your core self coming to the fore?
I can’t confess to understand DID… and can only imagine the journey it must be… so I thought I’d just ask how you’re doing. 🙂
Hi Paula,
you are a lovely human, thanks for asking. I have really great progress with co-operation but its been a long tough road. My Core Self is fairly solidly in the host seat but shares the space with anyone who needs a moment. So the system is holding together quite well… sure there’s difficult times but I’m doing well.
Hi Donna,
Sorry for taking so long to reply… various life factors, one being computer issue got in the way!
I ask because what I’ve discovered in the aspie world in NZ is that many of those in positions of mentoring, consulting, advocating all too often get forgotten… somehow everyone forgets that those in these roles are still people, still humans who have to manage their own autism, or aspergers or mental health difficulties.
You too are are a wonderful human… and although I do not know you well, I think it would be nice to one day… the you, not the famous Donna.
That’s good news you are managing to bring your selves together with your core self in charge (if I’ve interpreted that correctly). Must be a hard road indeed… hope it’s not to painful. Glad you’re doing well… and hope you have loving people to be there for you in the difficult times.
Hi Donna,
I have experienced similar things from being a small child e.g. ghosts, endless haunted houses, people touching me when I was in bed, lucid dreaming, out of body experiences and memory loss. I have also experienced my self being pulled out of my body and believe my body is being used/occupied by other people. I also find objects I do know where they have come from and lose things quite a lot.
I am about to start group psychotherapy, the psychotherapist has suggested my previous diagnosis of anxiety and depression is wrong, I can understand how they have arrived at dissociation, but the suggestion of borderline personality disorder confuses me e.g. I don’t self harm and my behaviour changes have only occurred over the last 12 months (since being overwhelmed and leaving work and also withdrawing from the outside world- I also live with my partner who has borderline personality problems).
I feel as I am two different people and that I am torn between different worlds, I am not suggesting that I have DID, but I just wanted to know how you have managed to explain your experiences to professionals as I feel I can’t explain what is happening to me
Any comments would be appreciated
Schizotypal and Borderline share derealisation. Schizotypal in particular is know for altered body perceptions. Both are known for high levels of dissociation.
Hi Donna – I read this article the other day and perhaps too quickly – I thought you were saying you felt we had different personalities controlling us! I was watching a show on possession the other day and in it this woman was said to have invited a demon into her body, and it did, then I read about this idea that autistic people should utilise ‘imaginary friends’ into thei minds to help them deal with things. I wonder if there is a connection? I was adopted and felt the presence in my mind of a female presence my whole life. When I tracked down my birth mother I was so dismayed that she did not match up to the imaginary one I sort of lost touch. Sometimes I even think I have an absorbed twin and that it’s the reason I’m so indecisive, never really feel alone.
I do however believe in ghosts and demons, but think they are the wrong words for old ‘energies’ in our minds.
I know that sounds a bit mad…
no. I was saying that we are all fragmented with parts of us emerging at different times, different places, and other parts of us emerging in other times and places. And, yes, apparently girls on the spectrum in particular tend to have ‘imaginary friends’ they internalise. I’d say the female parent you found within was a ‘higher self’ or ‘nurturing parent self’ compared to your ‘child self’ so it felt like a parent… in my team Willie was like that… and probably derived from the sister at the care home, just unconsciously I mapped her and she remained in my world as a meta version of her in there, and I later made sense of that ‘person’ as Willie. Similarly, Carol was like a sister to Polly, if you like almost a twin, and Da then became a male twin for Carol. So its the lives we have inside when we’re not tuned in, and sometimes those just come pouring out if we are not in the body, a bit ‘out of it’… ie dissociated.
I believe in ghosts, they are the meta replicas of living people we are sensing but probably come from how we mapped those people in the first place, or ghosts are split off parts of ourself, hanging about, waiting to be welcomed and reunited with the team they came from. I believe we can so fear or feel shame about damage or ‘badness’ that we encapsulate it and split it off from the other parts of our selfhood, and then it can ‘haunt us’, suddenly have switching where it comes out. I’m very lucky I didn’t have this. Perhaps because I have faced fear head on, or because I failed to ever identify with my abusers so there was nothing to internalise. I have had enraged, rebellious, blunt parts of me which were a handful but are now understood, feel belonging within the team and are largely integrated into the whole now.
not sure I believe in ‘mad’… sounds like you’re just trying to make sense of things.